Comments on: Olive Oil under Attack: Health Blog http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive_oil_under_attack.html Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:02:58 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Elmer Fittery http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive_oil_under_attack.html/comment-page-1#comment-2544 Elmer Fittery Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:21:11 +0000 http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive-oil-under-attack-health-blog.html#comment-2544 With regard to "Persistent Organic Pollution" (POPs) and Olive Oil. I know that POPs are fat soluble and one should avoid eating animal products, milk, sea food if they want to limit their intake of POPs. What about Olive Oil? Do you have any information about the levels of POPs in various olive oils from around the world? By the way, POPs are man made chemicals (either on purpose or by accident) that include dioxins, DDT and PBCs. People with the highest combined levels of all six POPs the rate of diabetes was a massive 38 times greater than in those with the lowest levels (Diabetes Care, vol 29, p 1638). With regard to “Persistent Organic Pollution” (POPs) and Olive Oil.
I know that POPs are fat soluble and one should avoid eating animal products, milk, sea food if they want to limit their intake of POPs.
What about Olive Oil? Do you have any information about the levels of POPs in various olive oils from around the world?
By the way, POPs are man made chemicals (either on purpose or by accident) that include dioxins, DDT and PBCs.
People with the highest combined levels of
all six POPs the rate of diabetes was a massive 38 times greater than in those
with the lowest levels (Diabetes Care, vol 29, p 1638).

]]> By: sadunkal http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive_oil_under_attack.html/comment-page-1#comment-2543 sadunkal Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:09:20 +0000 http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive-oil-under-attack-health-blog.html#comment-2543 I understand the selenium example, but that kind of soil problems are more or less modern, agricultural problems I guess. Actually I don't think you should be worrying about those soil problems even today, as long as you're eating a lot of vegetables sourcing from different soils, one of them ought to have some in it... No guarantee of course, but makes sense to me. And about corn oil, olive oil and so on... Those can't be considered natural foods from my point of view. Maybe I should've made clear that I was talking more about a simple raw-whole foods diet, which basically doesn't have any processed foods in it. A little like avoiding the food sorts which are inaccessible to other primates... Extracting it's oil out of a fruit is not more natural than extracting the sugar out of it. In both cases it makes more sense to eat the fruit raw, alive and in its natural balance. Like our bodies were used to digest them in the past... Or doesn't it? The problem is though, it seems that raw olives in their natural state aren't really easily edible by humans. Accordingly, they can't have been a part of our natural diet until recently. So I'm not so sure if it really makes sense to eat olive/oil... I understand the selenium example, but that kind of soil problems are more or less modern, agricultural problems I guess. Actually I don’t think you should be worrying about those soil problems even today, as long as you’re eating a lot of vegetables sourcing from different soils, one of them ought to have some in it… No guarantee of course, but makes sense to me.
And about corn oil, olive oil and so on… Those can’t be considered natural foods from my point of view. Maybe I should’ve made clear that I was talking more about a simple raw-whole foods diet, which basically doesn’t have any processed foods in it. A little like avoiding the food sorts which are inaccessible to other primates…
Extracting it’s oil out of a fruit is not more natural than extracting the sugar out of it. In both cases it makes more sense to eat the fruit raw, alive and in its natural balance. Like our bodies were used to digest them in the past… Or doesn’t it?
The problem is though, it seems that raw olives in their natural state aren’t really easily edible by humans. Accordingly, they can’t have been a part of our natural diet until recently. So I’m not so sure if it really makes sense to eat olive/oil…

]]> By: Jon Barron http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive_oil_under_attack.html/comment-page-1#comment-2542 Jon Barron Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:47:02 +0000 http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive-oil-under-attack-health-blog.html#comment-2542 Ahh! If only it were that simple. Yes, in general, food in its natural state is healthier. But there are other factors involved. Take selenium for example. Plants grow just fine without selenium in the soil. That means that no mater how naturally something is grown, and no matter how natural it is when you eat it, if there was no selenium in the soil when it was grown, you will be selenium deficient. Another factor is the inherent nature of the food itself. Corn oil, for example, is naturally high (too high) in Omega-6 fatty acid. No matter how naturally that oil is processed, it will always be too high in Omega-6 fatty acids. Olive oil is high in oleic acid, but virutally non-existent in Omega-3 fatty acids. If you eat nothing but olive oil and don't include any other sources of Omega-3 fats, you wil be deficient Omega-3 deficient. Bottom line: there is more to nutrition than just eating foods in their natural state -- although, again, that's a good starting point. Ahh! If only it were that simple. Yes, in general, food in its natural state is healthier. But there are other factors involved. Take selenium for example. Plants grow just fine without selenium in the soil. That means that no mater how naturally something is grown, and no matter how natural it is when you eat it, if there was no selenium in the soil when it was grown, you will be selenium deficient. Another factor is the inherent nature of the food itself. Corn oil, for example, is naturally high (too high) in Omega-6 fatty acid. No matter how naturally that oil is processed, it will always be too high in Omega-6 fatty acids. Olive oil is high in oleic acid, but virutally non-existent in Omega-3 fatty acids. If you eat nothing but olive oil and don’t include any other sources of Omega-3 fats, you wil be deficient Omega-3 deficient. Bottom line: there is more to nutrition than just eating foods in their natural state — although, again, that’s a good starting point.

]]> By: sadunkal http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive_oil_under_attack.html/comment-page-1#comment-2541 sadunkal Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:32:02 +0000 http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive-oil-under-attack-health-blog.html#comment-2541 Isn't the simple solution to eat everything in their natural state -as long as they're eatible- instead of squeezing the hell out of them -or cooking them to make them eatible-? I mean that way you can make sure that you're "getting the right kind and in the right ratios", right? Isn’t the simple solution to eat everything in their natural state -as long as they’re eatible- instead of squeezing the hell out of them -or cooking them to make them eatible-?
I mean that way you can make sure that you’re “getting the right kind and in the right ratios”, right?

]]> By: Anthony Sansone http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive_oil_under_attack.html/comment-page-1#comment-2540 Anthony Sansone Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:41:37 +0000 http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive-oil-under-attack-health-blog.html#comment-2540 This year I began importing extra virgin olive oil (EVOO) grown and made by small family farmers who live in the mountains on the island of Crete. I did so because the EVOO is the most healthful and highest quality I have been able to find after living in and visiting the olive oil producing countries of the Mediterranean and Middle East for many years. The polyphenols in the oil are more than double what you typically find in the EVOOs for sale here. <p>I dont know a lot about the chemistry of vitamins and olive oil, but I do know what I see in Crete while I am there. Every Sunday morning we go to church. The old men and women are indeed old, but look much younger than their age. I have not seen anyone with hands and fingers curled from arthritis. When it is time to harvest the olives from the trees in the mountains, elderly men and women 25 years my senior pass me by going up and down the mountains. Except for the unfortunate few who smoke heavily, I have the sense that most folks in the village on Crete are a lot healthier than their American counterparts. <p>I have read some articles that claim the people on Crete consume five or more times the amount of EVOO than the next highest consumption in the olive growing countries. In Crete, EVOO is used for everything. I have not seen butter in the villages that I visit. <p>I would question anyone who says that EVOO is unhealthy. Some oils marketed as EVOO that have been made in unsanitary facilities and fraudulently mixed with all manner of processed and refined oils are certainly not healthy for you. The average EVOO you buy may have 50-80 ppm polyphenols while the pure, clean EVOO from my farmers typically tests at 160 ppm and higher. Perhaps that is why the Cretan diet is now getting so much attention. <p>I think good quality EVOO is healthy for you and one negative voice in a sea of positive studies should be discounted until and unless some respectable research refutes what we know now. <p>Tony Sansone kretareserve@cox.net </p></p></p></p></p> This year I began importing extra virgin olive oil (EVOO) grown and made by small family farmers who live in the mountains on the island of Crete. I did so because the EVOO is the most healthful and highest quality I have been able to find after living in and visiting the olive oil producing countries of the Mediterranean and Middle East for many years. The polyphenols in the oil are more than double what you typically find in the EVOOs for sale here.

I dont know a lot about the chemistry of vitamins and olive oil, but I do know what I see in Crete while I am there. Every Sunday morning we go to church. The old men and women are indeed old, but look much younger than their age. I have not seen anyone with hands and fingers curled from arthritis. When it is time to harvest the olives from the trees in the mountains, elderly men and women 25 years my senior pass me by going up and down the mountains. Except for the unfortunate few who smoke heavily, I have the sense that most folks in the village on Crete are a lot healthier than their American counterparts.

I have read some articles that claim the people on Crete consume five or more times the amount of EVOO than the next highest consumption in the olive growing countries. In Crete, EVOO is used for everything. I have not seen butter in the villages that I visit.

I would question anyone who says that EVOO is unhealthy. Some oils marketed as EVOO that have been made in unsanitary facilities and fraudulently mixed with all manner of processed and refined oils are certainly not healthy for you. The average EVOO you buy may have 50-80 ppm polyphenols while the pure, clean EVOO from my farmers typically tests at 160 ppm and higher. Perhaps that is why the Cretan diet is now getting so much attention.

I think good quality EVOO is healthy for you and one negative voice in a sea of positive studies should be discounted until and unless some respectable research refutes what we know now.

Tony Sansone kretareserve@cox.net

]]> By: Jon Barron http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive_oil_under_attack.html/comment-page-1#comment-2539 Jon Barron Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:57:13 +0000 http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive-oil-under-attack-health-blog.html#comment-2539 Ah, Aaron, but what about avocados and walnuts and sprouted sunflower seeds? Several key vitamins and phytochemcials such as vitamins E and D, CoQ10, and most of the carotenoids are fat soluble. Fats are an important part of the diet. The key lies in getting the right kind and in the right ratios -- and not overdoing it, of course. Ah, Aaron, but what about avocados and walnuts and sprouted sunflower seeds? Several key vitamins and phytochemcials such as vitamins E and D, CoQ10, and most of the carotenoids are fat soluble. Fats are an important part of the diet. The key lies in getting the right kind and in the right ratios — and not overdoing it, of course.

]]> By: Aaron Ashmann http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive_oil_under_attack.html/comment-page-1#comment-2538 Aaron Ashmann Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:08:14 +0000 http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive-oil-under-attack-health-blog.html#comment-2538 It still seems that more analysis needs to be done in the area of optimizing lipid intake. While it's clearcut now that lowering protein leads to greater longevity, we really don't know the optimal longevity increasing ratio for fats. We know that as we increase fat intake, hormonal activity increases. So the question now is- if you are to go from the 7-10% fat that you would get from a diet of no added fat with mostly fruits and vegetables to a diet of a mixture of fats (up to 35% fats) (but mostly olive oil) - do you really see the longevity benefits? I would potentially argue that even with most of the markers becoming better with olive oil (lower insulin, lower c- reactive protein, etc) - there is a possibility that the high level of circulating hormones from the higher fat intake might not be as longevity increasing as maintaining a lower fat diet. We see data like this in fish oils also. Fish oil can substantially decrease triglycerides but at what cost? Is the decrease worth the cost in lipid peroxidation? Is this another case of where there is oxidation that occurs to protect DNA from damage? Maybe you can chime in on these types of questions Jon? It still seems that more analysis needs to be done in the area of optimizing lipid intake. While it’s clearcut now that lowering protein leads to greater longevity, we really don’t know the optimal longevity increasing ratio for fats. We know that as we increase fat intake, hormonal activity increases. So the question now is- if you are to go from the 7-10% fat that you would get from a diet of no added fat with mostly fruits and vegetables to a diet of a mixture of fats (up to 35% fats) (but mostly olive oil) – do you really see the longevity benefits? I would potentially argue that even with most of the markers becoming better with olive oil (lower insulin, lower c- reactive protein, etc) – there is a possibility that the high level of circulating hormones from the higher fat intake might not be as longevity increasing as maintaining a lower fat diet. We see data like this in fish oils also. Fish oil can substantially decrease triglycerides but at what cost? Is the decrease worth the cost in lipid peroxidation? Is this another case of where there is oxidation that occurs to protect DNA from damage? Maybe you can chime in on these types of questions Jon?

]]> By: Charles Butler http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive_oil_under_attack.html/comment-page-1#comment-2537 Charles Butler Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:00:49 +0000 http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive-oil-under-attack-health-blog.html#comment-2537 The point, as you know, was really the 'chair' nonsense. On the other hand, my name is available. The point, as you know, was really the ‘chair’ nonsense. On the other hand, my name is available.

]]> By: Jon Barron http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive_oil_under_attack.html/comment-page-1#comment-2536 Jon Barron Sun, 26 Aug 2007 07:21:49 +0000 http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive-oil-under-attack-health-blog.html#comment-2536 Charles: So far the article seems only to be in print in the 9/07 issue of Reader's Digest. As for Dr. Ornish running the foundation he created, I can't really complain -- given that I started and oversee the Baseline of Health Foundation, a real non-profit 501(c)(3) charitable organization. Ah! But as for holding the Bucksbaum Chair, I'll have to wait until the Bucksbaums's donate several million dollars to set up a chair here before I decide what I think about that. Charles:
So far the article seems only to be in print in the 9/07 issue of Reader’s Digest.
As for Dr. Ornish running the foundation he created, I can’t really complain — given that I started and oversee the Baseline of Health Foundation, a real non-profit 501(c)(3) charitable organization. Ah! But as for holding the Bucksbaum Chair, I’ll have to wait until the Bucksbaums’s donate several million dollars to set up a chair here before I decide what I think about that.

]]> By: Charles Butler http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive_oil_under_attack.html/comment-page-1#comment-2535 Charles Butler Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:56:24 +0000 http://www.jonbarron.org/blog/2007/08/olive-oil-under-attack-health-blog.html#comment-2535 Dr Ornish's biography states the following... Dean Ornish, MD, is the founder, president, and director of the non-profit Preventive Medicine Research Institute in Sausalito, California, where he holds the Bucksbaum Chair. The shameless self-promotion of creating and a chair and assigning it to yourself aside, the Readers' Digest site does not have that article. Was it just in the print version, or do you have a link? Thanks in advance. Dr Ornish’s biography states the following…
Dean Ornish, MD, is the founder, president, and director of the non-profit Preventive Medicine Research Institute in Sausalito, California, where he holds the Bucksbaum Chair.
The shameless self-promotion of creating and a chair and assigning it to yourself aside, the Readers’ Digest site does not have that article. Was it just in the print version, or do you have a link?
Thanks in advance.

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